Lakeside Track / Sprint Day – Second Go & Third Go – OK My Track Day Thread!

[JabaParticipant Perth, WAVZ Senator View build HERE Member since: February 18, 2015 Posts: 103]

Nice work mate, how do you think those RS3’s would go on the street?

[SSEN8R VS #1081Participant Brisbane, North Side\'97 VS II HSV Senator 185i View build HERE Member since: March 16, 2015 Posts: 227]

I think they would be fine on the street – 200 tread wear rating. Assume if you misbehave they may not last too long. Channels aren’t as deep as other tyres i’ve had.

My build thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-ii-senator-185i-1081/
My track day thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/lakeside-track-sprint-day-second-go/
My VS brake upgrade thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-brake-upgrades/

[SSEN8R VS #1081Participant Brisbane, North Side\'97 VS II HSV Senator 185i View build HERE Member since: March 16, 2015 Posts: 227]

Cooked the rear pads and rotors – only done 1.5 track days and less than 1000km on road since new Brembo pads and new rotors… Hmmm seems brakes are the weakest point in taking ya car on track. Absolutely no pads on Left Rear, but a little on Right Rear.

 

• This reply was modified 8 years, 10 months ago by  SSEN8R VS #1081. Reason: engrish

My build thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-ii-senator-185i-1081/
My track day thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/lakeside-track-sprint-day-second-go/
My VS brake upgrade thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-brake-upgrades/

[StrickParticipant MelbourneSV6000 View build HERE Member since: March 1, 2015 Posts: 20]

Yep they are, but once you get it sorted its fantastic to have decent brakes. I would change to brided brake lines, improves braking performance quite alot

[Anonymous View build HERE Member since: January 1, 1970 Posts: 0]

Are they solid rear rotors?

[SSEN8R VS #1081Participant Brisbane, North Side\'97 VS II HSV Senator 185i View build HERE Member since: March 16, 2015 Posts: 227]

yeah stock Senator 185i rears, 270mm (i think) solid rotor single piston caliper. 215i had better brakes.

I got the fronts upgraded, but was hoping more than anything that the rears would hold up.

Got braided lines on the fronts.

Was checking everyone elses cars out, while at the track, almost everyone has proper race brakes. There was a BF ute race car (the v8 super car support category style), had massive rotors with AP racing calipers front and rear…. guess commo’s are pretty heavy to pull up again and again…

My build thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-ii-senator-185i-1081/
My track day thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/lakeside-track-sprint-day-second-go/
My VS brake upgrade thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-brake-upgrades/

[Anonymous View build HERE Member since: January 1, 1970 Posts: 0]

Yep you’re only going to get a couple of good stops out of the solids then they’re going to overheat badly…

 

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Love this thread, so nice to see the progression in car and driver ad your going. Looks like soooo much fun

 

[Brockfan05Participant AlburyVR Berlina 5.0L VS Clubsport View build HERE Member since: March 7, 2015 Posts: 39]

First of all, beautiful car and great vids. Definitely picked up a lot of time with tyre and brake upgrades. I did notice you mentioned you wanted to fit a bigger front stabiliser bar to combat understeer? That mod will actually make the car understeer more. As odd as it may sound, stiffening up the rear will get the car to turn in better but dont over do it or you’ll end up with a tyre shredding oversteer monster lol.

[SSEN8R VS #1081Participant Brisbane, North Side\'97 VS II HSV Senator 185i View build HERE Member since: March 16, 2015 Posts: 227]

cheers for the advice, something to think about. As the suspension is FE2 spec, although all new / replaced Dec ’14, it still has a bit of body roll onto the main straight which is stopping me getting onto the gas as early as I could. Need to feather a little bit as it understeers slightly – and the wall is really close to the track at that point!

I used to have an VK calais which I put upgraded swaybar, after full suspension upgrade and strut brace (like I have now) and it made it pull across quite well… didn’t take that one on the track tho…

My build thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-ii-senator-185i-1081/
My track day thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/lakeside-track-sprint-day-second-go/
My VS brake upgrade thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-brake-upgrades/

[SSEN8R VS #1081Participant Brisbane, North Side\'97 VS II HSV Senator 185i View build HERE Member since: March 16, 2015 Posts: 227]

Came across this…

“Rear Wheel Drive

Because a rear wheel drive car transfers torque to the road through the back wheels, it’s necessary that they both stay on the ground. Lifting an inside rear wheel will cause wheelspin (in cars without an LSD) and more power oversteer (in cars with an LSD). RWD cars therefore tend to use greater front roll stiffness, provided largely by the sway bar. However, if understeer is strong, a slightly stiffer rear bar can be used.

If a rear-wheel drive oversteers, or a non-LSD car picks up an inside rear wheel and spins it, fit a larger front sway-bar. If the car understeers a lot, fit a bigger rear sway-bar.”

from http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=112694

hmmm… maybe it’s better not to mess with anything, as apart from a little bit of understeer under gas pulling onto the main straight, the car handles great!

• This reply was modified 8 years, 10 months ago by  SSEN8R VS #1081.

My build thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-ii-senator-185i-1081/
My track day thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/lakeside-track-sprint-day-second-go/
My VS brake upgrade thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-brake-upgrades/

[Brockfan05Participant AlburyVR Berlina 5.0L VS Clubsport View build HERE Member since: March 7, 2015 Posts: 39]

Yep that article is spot on, but I was pretty sure you would have had an lsd in yours for track work!! Most road cars are set up from the factory with slight understeer as it is deemed to be safer for the average driver.

 

EDIT   Not saying you are an average driver lol. Thought I better clarify that hehehehe 

• This reply was modified 8 years, 10 months ago by  Brockfan05.

[SSEN8R VS #1081Participant Brisbane, North Side\'97 VS II HSV Senator 185i View build HERE Member since: March 16, 2015 Posts: 227]

Yeah VS Senator comes out with LSD.

I think I will need to find someone else who has a VN-VS that does track work and have a chat to them.

My build thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-ii-senator-185i-1081/
My track day thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/lakeside-track-sprint-day-second-go/
My VS brake upgrade thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-brake-upgrades/

[SSEN8R VS #1081Participant Brisbane, North Side\'97 VS II HSV Senator 185i View build HERE Member since: March 16, 2015 Posts: 227]

Been a bit quiet on the motorsport front as I went on a european holiday, but i’m getting planning going…

so car is going in for a lil work and bit of check up next week. if no dramas, it’ll be all go for next event…

as i haven’t had any track training and havn’t been to Queensland Raceway (Willowbank) i’m going to do this on 15/10… http://drivingevents.com.au/performance-driver-training/track-and-training-days/product/79-queensland-raceway-track-training-weekdays-full-day

then on 24/10 BMW car club are doing Motorkhana & Skid Pan day at Mt Cotton driver training centre…

then on 6/11 doing another Lakeside track day with BMW car club…

then on 21/11 doing Lakeside half track day with HSV car club (Qld)…

Let’s hope no major car expensive car repairs come along, but I know to show the brakes some respect now…

 

My build thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-ii-senator-185i-1081/
My track day thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/lakeside-track-sprint-day-second-go/
My VS brake upgrade thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-brake-upgrades/

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

I am so jealous of the opportunities you east staters seem to get for track days.  Sounds bloody awesome…

[JabaParticipant Perth, WAVZ Senator View build HERE Member since: February 18, 2015 Posts: 103]

Ill be giving a track day a go next time im home.

Would like to dial in the Adjustable sway bars + coilovers a tad, plus a more track focused wheel alignment.

But being my first time ill just stiffen the rear up a bit so its slightly oversteer biased.

3500rpm stalled 4 speed will be interesting haha.

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

When the guy set up my coil overs he asked did I want it for street or track.  Whats the difference, just more camber?

[LF24Participant Ipswich- \'99 ls1 Holden VS ute - \'02 HSV Maloo R8 View build HERE Member since: March 1, 2015 Posts: 57]

I’ve got the whiteline adjustable 30mm front & 22mm rear sway bars on my vs ute.  I’ve got the front bar done up to the second tightest setting and the rear bar on the tightest setting and it’s amazing how much it improved the handling and eliminated the understeer. With approx. 400bhp in a ute and she powers through corners and out of them! I’d still like stiffer springs or proper coilovers in the back to try to eliminate the rest of the wippy body roll that’s present.

 

I’ve also noticed that perchance by putting in front coilovers and taking them out for a bit for lowered spring/strut before replacing them again how much more direct the steering is on turn in with coilovers.  I found the lowered spring/strut combo to be quite sloppy when compared.

 

i also notice how much better my vs ute now handles when I jump back in my VU Maloo and I have to work the steering wheel a bit more and at lower speeds.

 

just my experience from the last 8 months of modding the suspension.  I think bigger adjustable away bars is a great bang for buck handling mod on commodores!!

• This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by  LF24.

[SSEN8R VS #1081Participant Brisbane, North Side\'97 VS II HSV Senator 185i View build HERE Member since: March 16, 2015 Posts: 227]

cheers LF24 – was very keen on the whiteline swaybars but as you can see from the discussion above, I was a little unsure…

My build thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-ii-senator-185i-1081/
My track day thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/lakeside-track-sprint-day-second-go/
My VS brake upgrade thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-brake-upgrades/

[SSEN8R VS #1081Participant Brisbane, North Side\'97 VS II HSV Senator 185i View build HERE Member since: March 16, 2015 Posts: 227]

a mate of a mate, who i’m trying to get on here, has VS manta race car and he says, in regards to swaybars…

No sway on the rear and a 32 mm one up front with a tower brace….. VF GTS can’t keep up with it around Sandown so it suprised a few!…… yes it’s street registered and I drive it on the street. Which is interesting with a full spool diff out of a vx and a brass button clutch.”
surely no rear sway bar would make the rear hang out like a drift car…

• This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by  SSEN8R VS #1081.

My build thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-ii-senator-185i-1081/
My track day thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/lakeside-track-sprint-day-second-go/
My VS brake upgrade thread - http://www.commodoresplus.com.au/forums/topic/vs-brake-upgrades/

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